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Krisflyer Monthly Redemption Deals- 30% off SQ Y and J awards

(Edit: Jimmy on the comments spotted something different between this promotion and the previous ones we’ve seen. Previous promotions allowed you to cancel completely unused tickets for a miles refund. The T&C of this promotion do not. Something to be aware of)

Krisflyer has been offering various discounted award redemptions on SQ and MI flights recently. Here are the recent promotions that we’ve had

May 2015: 50% off SQ and MI economy awards
Feb 2016: 30% off SQ and MI economy awards
July 2016: 50% off MI economy awards
October 2016: 50% off MI economy awards
November 2016:  30% off SQ premium economy and economy awards 
June 2017: 50% off MI business and economy awards

Although these promotions were certainly welcome, they never covered SQ Business Class. At most they’d cover MI J, and there was one promotion for SQ PY, but SQ J was never discounted.

Till now.

SQ has started offering “Krisflyer Monthly Redemption Deals”. The name of the promotion gets me excited because it implies we’ll see new deals every month.

The catch is that you have to travel within the next month- so for the current promotion you have to book between now and 31 August and travel between 1-30 Sept (both dates included). I imagine the same convention will be followed on subsequent deals.

If you have that kind of flexibility, then there are some interesting deals to be had. You can by all means go and look for economy deals, but I wanted to focus on the business class deals on offer this time round.

Here’s the list:

list of discounted Business Class awards. Note that SQ has made a typo- SIN-BNE is not SQ494/495, that belongs to Dubai

Of all these flights, I’d encourage you to look at the following if you wanted to try SQ‘s newest business class. These routes reliably have SQ’s 2013 Business Class seat.

  • SQ494/495 to Dubai (77W)
  • SQ422/423 to Mumbai (A350)
  • SQ828/827 to Shanghai (77W)
  • SQ806/801 to Beijing (77W)

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The other catch is that you need to get your award ticketed before 31 August. Therefore, if you see that saver awards are on waitlist, you’ll need to either find a new date or waitlist yourself and bug them like crazy to clear the waitlist. To be absolutely clear, if your award waitlist clears after 31 August, notwithstanding the fact you’re travelling between 1-30 Sept, you will be paying the non-discounted rate.

So kudos to SQ for starting these promotions, and let’s hope we see other long haul destinations added for subsequent promotions.

Edit: And, of course, thanks to Chelsea who pointed this sale out to me. I’d better add myself back to SQ’s mailing list

How to save tons of miles by using Krisflyer’s stopover feature

One little-known feature of Krisflyer awards is stopovers.  I’ll bet you the average Krisflyer member has never booked one before. But for power users like us, stopovers can be a great way of saving thousands of miles each year.

this table refers to the number of FREE stopovers you get with each type of award. You can add a stopover to a one-way saver award for US$100

A stopover refers to a break in a journey of at least 24 hours. You can add a stopover to a one-way Krisflyer saver award for US$100, or have a free stopover with a one-way standard award.

Here’s the deal- whenever you’re planning a vacation, book two one way awards instead of a round trip (one way awards cost half of a round trip). Then, think about your return flight like this-

Ending City of Previous Vacation (X)–> SIN Stopover (Y)–> Starting City of Next Vacation (Z)*

*For shorthand, we’ll refer to the ending city of previous vacation as X, Singapore as Y and starting city of next vacation as Z

When you do this, you end up saving miles because redeeming (X–>Y–>Z) costs fewer miles than redeeming (X–>Y) + (Y–>Z) separately.

An example to make things more clear: I’m heading to Tokyo in September to finish off the leftover SIN-HND JAL J segment from my RTW trip (I chose to start and end the trip in Tokyo because it represented a significant cost saving over starting and ending in Singapore, even after positioning to HND).

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JAL 767 Business Class

When planning my flight back to Singapore, my initial thought was to book HND-SIN in SQ F.

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SQ 77W New First Class

Then I remembered- I’m heading to SYD in December in F to hopefully get a chance to try SQ’s new Suites product (although with every day that passes with no announcement I’m starting to have doubts whether we’ll see it deployed by then)

Instead of buying two award tickets like this:

  • HND-SIN: 65,000 Miles + $33 taxes (X–>Y)
  • SIN-SYD: 80,000 Miles + $67 taxes (Y–>Z)

Why couldn’t I do this instead?


  • HND-SIN (stopover)-SYD: 105,000 Miles + $100 taxes + US$100 stopover fee ($136) (X–>Y–>Z)

I’ll do my HND-SIN in September, have a stopover of a few months in SIN, then proceed with SIN-SYD in December. All in all, I’ll save 40,000 miles for an incremental cost of $136. I don’t know about you, but I think that’s a good deal*

(*if you want to be technical about it my actual miles savings were a bit different because I booked SIN-SYD before the Krisflyer devaluation at 63,750 miles + $260. The figures I’ve shown above are post-devaluation figures. In other words I saved less miles and more money. But you get my point)

The maximum stopover duration is 1 year from the date of your first flight on the same ticket. That’s to say, if X–>Y is on September 1st 2017, I must fly Y–>Z by September 1st 2018.

Remember that date changes are free of charge with Krisflyer award tickets, so it doesn’t matter if your Y–>Z dates are a bit fuzzy. You can move it as often as you want (subject to there being saver award space) within the constraints of the 1 year period.

Points to note

  • You cannot book stopovers on a one-way saver award online. You will need to call Krisflyer membership services to get it done. Give them the date of your first leg and second leg, tell them you know there’ll be a US$100 fee and everything should run smoothly. Remember to call it a STOPOVER, not a layover (layover is 24 hours or less)
  • If you’re booking First Class from X–>Y but only Business Class is available from Y–>Z, you’ll pay the First Class price from X–>Z as shown on the award chart, regardless of the fact that you flew J from Y–>Z. This is often the case when your first vacation is to a long haul stop where F is available, but your second is to a regional destination where J is the highest cabin class available
  • Although date changes do not attract additional fees, route changes do. So, if having flown X–>Y you later decide to change Y–>Z to Y–>A, you’ll need to pay a fee
  • You may encounter a scenario where X–>Y is available and immediately confirmable but Y–>Z is waitlist only. If this happens, X–>Y–>Z cannot be ticketed immediately and you’ll have to waitlist. I’d recommend you be very flexible about the dates on Y–>Z and pick whichever one has saver space, even if it’s a random date, knowing that you can change the date later for free. It’s much better to lock in  X–>Y first, and can worry about negotiating the Y–>Z dates later
  • EDIT: An additional point came to mind- if you want to do this you have to be like a pendulum, swinging in one direction through Singapore and continuing to head the other way. In other words, I can’t do SYD-SIN-CHC because that’s a backtracking award. Nor could I do HKG-SIN-TPE, for example, or SFO-SIN-LHR Your next holiday has to be in a place where the East–>West / North–> South direction generally continues. It’s not a big deal for me per se, but if you’re the sort who likes to go to the same place all the time then this might not work for you. The Krisflyer award chart will tell you if it’s possible to fly between two regions.

Ideas and potential sweet spots

Some close study of the Krisflyer award chart will reap dividends, but if you need ideas for potential routings, here are some sweet spots I think are good deals.

(the + in the brackets refers to the incremental cost over ending your journey in Singapore)

  • Zone 9 to Zone 1-4 (Same Cost) or Zone 8 (+25K in F/J)
  • Zone 5 to Zone 8 (+15K in F/J)
  • Zone 11 to Zone 7 (+23/15K in F/J- this is incredible value to me, 15K more miles +US$100 for a second trip to Tokyo!) or Zone 9 (+33/20K in F/J- this is also great, 33K more miles + US$100 for First Class to Sydney, anyone?)
  • Zone 7 to Zone 8 (+10K in J)- build in a trip to Perth in Business Class?
  • Anywhere to Zones 1-3 (Same Cost)*

*I’ve touched on this topic before when I wrote about the $100 Bangkok Trip, but needless to say regardless of wherever you’re flying back from it almost always costs the same to end your journey in Singapore vs Zone 2 and 3, so if you feel $100 is worth it you can always tag on another flight later on in the year

This is obviously not a complete list so feel free to chime in.

What I love about this opportunity is that it’s a good way for those of us based in Singapore to really stretch our miles. We may not earn them as easily as folks in the USA, but they won’t be able to take advantage of this unless their home base is Singapore.

So, always think one step ahead, and you’ll be saving a lot more miles.

What is the value of a mile?

If you want to play the miles game, a very important concept to understand is how to value a mile.

The recent SQ devaluation, as well as some insights I’ve acquired from speaking to fellow miles collectors, has led to a need to revisit this topic. This article should be read in conjunction with “What you need to know before you buy miles“, because presumably the price you’d be willing to pay depends on what you value them at.

In this article we will be discussing the value of a Krisflyer mile.

Theoretical Value

It’s probably easier to start by thinking about the theoretical value of a mile.

The theoretical value of a mile is the implicit rate at which the airline is willing to substitute miles for cash

Note that I say “implicit” because SQ may price a seat at S$2,000, but it doesn’t mean the cost to them is S$2,000. That’s just how much they hope to earn from it. The explicit value of a mile should form the floor, and that’s 1 cent per mile, the rate that SQ is willing to substitute miles for cash under its (poor value) Pay with Miles scheme.

Here’s an example of the theoretical value based on a round trip ticket to Paris on SQ.

The first thing you should note is that with the exception of economy to premium economy, as you move up the cabin classes the implied value of a mile increases. For the sake of simplicity I’ve only looked at one destination, but the figures above are pretty reflective of the average cent per mile value throughout the SQ network

  • Economy- 1.5-3 cents per mile
  • Premium Economy- 1.5-2.5 cents per mile
  • Business- 3.5-4.5 cents per mile
  • First- 6-7 cents per mile

This is because the incremental price increases more significantly than the incremental miles. Business Class cost 156% more money than premium economy but only 36% more miles. First Class costs 128% more money than Business Class but only 35% more miles.

Why the exception from economy to premium economy? Because SQ’s premium economy is horribly overpriced from a miles (and many would say money) point of view. Premium economy tickets require 75% the miles of business class. And given the huge gap in comfort, you’d be hard pressed to justify redeeming premium economy.

no prizes for guessing which is which

There is a price step up from economy to premium economy, but depending on what economy fare you book the step up can be very marginal, or even negative as we see in the CDG example above.

Based on this, we can formulate a general rule that

The value of a mile depends on what cabin you redeem for. Miles are worth the most when you redeem for first class and the least when you redeem for economy

Indeed, this general rule forms the mantra of many a miles collector- if you’re going to redeem your miles for economy class travel, you may be better off with a cashback card.

Actual Value

So that’s the theoretical value and although it remains a good starting point for our valuation of a mile, it cannot be the end. As this section shows you, valuing a mile is more art than science, and in some places even veers into the realm of the philosophical.

Here are some additional factors to take into account in valuing a mile.

What is the likelihood of finding saver space?

Availability for 2x business saver award tickets. A= Available, W= Waitlist, N/A= Not Available. See the full article here

In the theoretical valuation section, I’ve used the saver award bucket when considering how many miles were required. But anyone who has spent 5 minutes trying to book an award ticket with SQ knows about the horrors of the waitlist. On popular routes like SIN-LHR or SIN-JFK, finding saver award space in premium cabins can be very tricky, if not impossible (I challenge anyone to find 2 instantly confirmable business or first saver seats on SQ25/26).

So we need to somehow factor in the probability of finding saver space. This isn’t a calculation I’m equipped to do because it depends on so many different factors like route, time of booking, number of seats etc.

I do know, however, that if you were to redeem standard awards instead of saver, your valuation would look like this (premium economy only has saver awards)

  • Economy- 1-2 cents per mile
  • Business-2-3 cents per mile
  • First- 3-4 cents per mile

That’s about half the value of saver awards. Therefore your value of a mile is likely to be lower than what we calculated previously. I personally have never paid standard award prices (I find it too painful especially when I know what the price “should” be) but in an emergency situation I can see some people biting the bullet to do so.

Would I really have paid $10,000 for first class?

Image result for sq first class

When I first started playing the miles game I’d tell people very proudly “I just got a $10,000 first class ticket for only $400 in taxes and some miles” and allow them to bask in my warm, enlightened glow (mind you, this is still how a lot of travel bloggers pitch stories to journalists because “YOU WON’T BELIEVE HOW THIS MAN GOT $20,000 OF AIR TICKETS FOR FREE” is a heck of a lot more attention-grabbing than “Man meticulously plans vacation through intelligent use of frequent flyer programs”)

I’d then lecture them about thinking twice for paying 2 cents per mile because “you can redeem them for first class and get 6-7 cents of value. It’s pure arbitrage!”

Ah, callow youth.

When Ubereats is (very often) late and gives me a $5 credit, I can safely say that I’ve saved $5 because I wouldn’t think twice on shelling out $5 of my own money on Ubereats in the future. But the only way I can take the first class ticket at face value is if I were genuinely willing to shell out that money in the first place. So I wasn’t wrong from a theoretical point of view, but implicit in what I’m saying is that I’d have been willing to pay $10,000 for a first class ticket.

And that’s the philosophy that some people take towards buying and redeeming miles. They tell themselves- I will not pay more than $2,000 for a return ticket to San Francisco, regardless of class. And then they’ll see if they’re able to buy/generate miles at a cost less than or equal to that. FYI, you’d need to buy miles at 1.1 cents each if you wanted to fly to SFO in Business Class and not pay more than $2,000.

This implies that you should think about all your alternatives when redeeming miles. If I don’t get my award seat, would I still fly with SQ?

Suppose I was going to Sydney. I could get there direct with BA, Qantas and even Scoot. So should I value my miles based on the retail price of a First Class ticket, or based on the retail price of the alternatives I’d be willing to accept? Just how much do I intrinsically value that flight to Sydney? You can see how this can quickly become a philosophical discussion more than anything.

Put it another way- if you’re the sort who would normally never pay for Tiffany jewelry, and Tiffany has a 10% sale and you buy a $10,000 ring for $9,000, you’d be stretching to say you really saved $1,000.

What is the opportunity cost of building miles?

A big part of building your miles as quickly as possible involves using the right card in the right situation. But that sometimes means forgoing discounts you could otherwise have received by using a different card.

Case in point- Citibank has a host of gourmet dining deals for its cardholders. 

However, Citibank does not have a specialized dining card. The question I then face when I dine out is- do I value a 10% discount more than earning 4 mpd with my UOB PP Amex?

Of course if the discount is large it’s a no-brainer, but there are other situations where the opportunity cost is more subtle. Consider the Standard Charted Bonus$aver account, which awards you 1.88% bonus interest if you spend upwards of $2,000 a month on SCB credit cards.

SCB also doesn’t have a miles earning dining card. But it’s very hard for me to, on the fly, calculate the opportunity cost of not earning that 1.88% interest because of an individual transaction that may or may not cause me to fall short of the $2,000 mark. If you wanted to be completely accurate, you’d need to take this into account as well.

What about the miles I would have earned buying a revenue ticket?

Award tickets do not earn miles. Revenue tickets do. Therefore it’s necessary to factor the value of foregone miles into our calculations.

Business Class tickets usually earn 125% of the miles flown, so a return flight from SIN-SFO would earn 1.25*8,440= 10,550 miles, before you take into account the 25% elite tier bonus that Krisflyer Elite Silver and above gets. If you take a fairly conservative valuation of 2 cents per mile, that’s about $210 of value which you should offset from the revenue price of the ticket as a form of rebate.

How much do I value flexibility?

Award tickets have a great deal of flexibility. You can change the date for free, you can change your route/cabin class or award type for US$20 or cancel an award for US$15-30, depending on your status (and I know from experience that if you ask them nicely for a one-time exception they’re not above bending the rule)

This is more of an issue in economy, where tickets can range from fully flexible to highly restricted (although it should also be noted that the cancellation fee for a revenue business class ticket is US$150-300 versus US$15 for an award ticket) . So it’s not fair to compare the cheapest bucket of economy to an economy award ticket. An SQ super deals ticket to San Francisco may cost $1,408, but good luck if you need to make any changes to it.

Valuing a mile

And now we come down to the final question- how much should I value a mile?

My (very cop out) answer is that it depends on you.

  • I personally value miles at 2 cents each.
  • Ben over at OMAAT and TPG value miles at 1.5 US cents (or 2.05 SG cents) each.
  • PointsHacks values them at 2.1 Australian (2.28 SG cents) each.

How you value miles is inherently linked to the kind of traveller you are. People who believe in saving money above everything else will value them lower, because miles are “free” (assuming you don’t pay explicitly for them). That’s why they’re willing to trade them for economy class tickets. People who believe in accessing experiences they couldn’t otherwise have afforded will value them slightly higher, because they’ll invariably redeem them for business or first. And people who buy first and business class as a matter of practice anyway will value them the highest, because to them it’s simply a replacement mode of payment.

So that’s my take on the valuation of a mile!