Scoot announced plans to fly to Honolulu all the way back in May, but it was only recently that they announced prices and timings. For the pretty impressive price of S$699 (Iโve included a bag plus the $20 (!) processing fee that Scoot charges to pay with a credit card), you could fly to Honolulu and back in economy with a 1-2 hour transit in Osaka each way.
For comparisonโs sake, hereโs how much itโd cost (in USD) to get to Hawaii with full service carriers.
Of course, S$699 is only a promotional price, and itโs safe to say that once the demand stabilizes weโll see round trip fares closer to the S$1,000 mark (do a search for Scoot around October 2018 and you can find days where round trip economy costs upwards of S$2,700). Plus, youโll need to factor in all those gotcha fees that budget carriers have for meals, seat selection, entertainment etc. Furthermore, Scoot has an abysmal track record of handling irregular operations, so Iโd think very carefully about my backup plans before booking.
I personally am not sold on the allure of Hawaii, given that we in Singapore have so many beach paradise destinations at our doorstep for much cheaper. But reading about the launch got me thinking- suppose you really want to go Hawaii and donโt want to subject yourself to the vagaries of Scootโs IRROPs plan. Can miles get you there?
In this post, Iโm going to look at some of the options for award travel to Honolulu from Singapore. The usual caveats about award travel apply- you might not get the dates you want, you might not get the connections you want and there may not be enough award seats for both you and your travel companion(s).
(1) Redeem a Star Alliance award, preferably through Lifemiles (S$1,244/S$2,034 in Y/J)
Singapore Airlines doesnโt fly to Honolulu (although once upon a timeโฆ), so the first instinct many may have is to turn to the Star Alliance partner chart. If you donโt know how to book a Star Alliance award through Krisflyer, hereโs a good primer.
We should also remember, however, that itโs possible to book Star Alliance awards through any Star Alliance carrier. In fact, depending on the FFP, you might sometimes find better deals than Krisflyer.
Hereโs how many miles it costs to book a round trip flight to Honolulu from Singapore with Krisflyer, and two other FFPs that frequently sell their miles at a deep discount.
Krisflyer | Lifemiles | Mileageplus | |
Business | 195,000 + S$445.60 | 102,000 +US$100 | 120,000 + S$88.20 |
Economy | 110,000 + S$445.60 | 60,000 + US$100 | 70,000 + S$88.20 |
Why are Krisflyerโs prices surcharges so high? Remember that SQ no longer levies fuel surcharges on its own awards, but when you use your Krisflyer miles to book a Star Alliance partner, SQ will still pass on any fuel surcharges they levy on to you. In contrast, Lifemiles and Mileageplus do not levy fuel surcharges on partner award tickets.
Still, this isnโt an apples to apples comparison because 1 Krisflyer mile doesnโt โcostโ the same as a 1 Lifemile. Letโs try to convert them into similar terms. We know that you can buy as many Krisflyer miles as you want at 2 cents each through the UOB PRVI Pay feature (you can certainly buy them cheaper than 2 cents, but for the sake of argument weโll take this figure), that Lifemiles sell for as little as 1.375 US cents (1.88 SG cents), and Mileageplus frequently holds sales at 1.88 US cents (2.57 SG cents).
Hereโs how the table looks when we price it out along those lines.
Krisflyer | Lifemiles | Mileageplus | |
Business | S$4,346* | S$2,054 | S$3,172 |
Economy | S$2,646* | S$1,264 | S$1,887 |
*People are bound to dispute this calculation in the sense that you can earn Krisflyer miles as a byproduct of many transactions in Singapore (credit card spend, pumping gas, booking a hotel etc) but obtaining Lifemiles and Mileageplus requires an explicit out of pocket spend to buy the miles. Therefore, in one sense, unless you outright buy Krisflyer miles you havenโt had any cash outflow. Thatโs a fair point, but if we need to do an apples to apples comparison then 2 cents is a good benchmark
We can see that Krisflyer is just really poor value for partner redemptions to this part of the world. Youโre hit not just with fuel surcharges, but you also shell out more miles than with other programs. Iโd personally go with Lifemiles in this scenario.
But the other problem is connections. The only Pacific-based Star Alliance carriers that fly to Hawaii are Air China, ANA and Asiana, and none of them have particularly good connectivity with inbound flights from Singapore. Hereโs a sample itinerary for SIN-ICN-HNL with SQ on the first leg and Asiana on the second (Iโm viewing this on Unitedโs website, which has recently started showing SQ award space again). Note the almost 5 hour connection in ICN on the outbound legโฆ
And the 6 hour connection on the inbound.
If youโre flying with Star Alliance carriers, the best connection time you can hope for is a 2h 45 min layover in Haneda flying a combination of UA and NH. And even then thereโs no guarantee awards will be available on that route. If they arenโt, youโre easily looking at connections in excess of 4.5 hours, as this Google Flights result shows.
So booking a Star Alliance award can work, but you need to be prepared for a potentially long layover. Maybe leave the airport and explore Seoul or Tokyo?
Fortunately, there are better optionsโฆ
(2) Redeem a Alaska Mileageplan award with JAL (S$2,289/S$3,634 in Y/J)
Remember Alaska Mileageplan? That awesome little program that lets you do cool things like this? Mileageplan has a host of useful Pacific-based partners that can help you get to Honolulu. Searching yields plenty of options on JAL and Korean Air in both economy and business. Korean Air layovers are crazy so weโll ignore those options.
That connection time on JAL is tolerable, but JAL doesnโt seem to release many business class seats from NRT-HNL, so on most days youโll see a mixed cabin award that flies you SIN-NRT in JAL business class, but NRT-HNL in JAL economy while charging you business class prices for the whole award.
That said, itโs not impossible. I spotted several days where HNL-NRT had business class seats with a decent connection in NRT.
Where cost is concerned, the cheapest I see Mileageplan miles go on sale is 1.97 US cents each, or 2.69 SG cents. So the price would be
- Economy- 80,000 Mileageplan + US$100= S$2,289
- Business- 130,000 Mileageplan + US$100=S$3,634
These prices are higher than Lifemiles, but youโre trading money for time. Frankly Iโd only consider this for business class, because you can easily buy economy class tickets to Honolulu for less than S$2,289.
Keep in mind that you donโt have to go through Mileageplan to redeem JAL awards though, if you have Asiamilesโฆ
(3) Redeem a JAL award through Asiamiles ( S$1,300/S$2,500 in Y/J)
At the risk of sounding repetitive, you can get the same JAL routings via Asiamiles. Remember that almost every bank in Singapore partners with Asiamiles, and miles transfer at the same ratio as to Krisflyer.
Award space on JAL is patchy, but you can find some days where the connection time is somewhat shorter.
Remember that Asiamiles does not let you view JAL award space online (the screenshot above is from Avios), so youโll need to call up Asiamiles membership services hotline to book your flights.
The GCMap tells me that itโs just over 7,000 miles to fly from SIN-HND/NRT-HNL, so thatโll cost 60,000/120,000 Asiamiles on round trip economy/business, much better than Krisflyerโs rates.
Also remember that if you use UOB PRVI Pay, the UNI$ that youโre buying can be converted into Krisflyer or Asiamiles at the same ratio. So 60,000/120,000 Asiamiles will be S$1,200/S$2,400 respectively. The only thing unclear here is how much surcharges JAL will levy. Iโve estimated fuel surcharges to be S$85, based on this table, and have rounded it up to S$100 to account for airport taxes.
Conclusion
If I had to choose, Iโd probably confirm that award space on JAL exists, then transfer points to Asiamiles and book. I get that the connection times will not be as good as what Scoot is offering, but Iโd sure as heck rather fly with JAL than Scoot. Hereโs an idea of what business class products JAL offers to Honolulu.
Iโm sure the list above isnโt exhaustive and there could be other, smarter ways of getting good premium cabin deals to Hawaii. Feel free to chip in if Iโve missed something.
What is the exchange rate from KF to lifemiles
Dude, youโre churning out articles like a machine! And all this without compromising on their quality and while working on the overall website overhaul / improvements. Had this been the Victorian era, Iโd tip my hat down for you ๐
Lifemiles till last year used to consider Honolulu as part of the same sector as Japan. So while itโs still a very good proposition today, it used to be crazy good till a few months back!
yeah but if this were the victorian era iโd have like dysentery or something. anyway, need to run up the article count pre IPO.
Victorian era would have gotten you concubines with such quality. Chio Bu likes value
Theyโd all have the clap though
I spoke with a SQ network planner a while ago. Wondered why if theyโd consider Canberra and Honolulu (I used to live in Canberra once upon a time. For those who donโt know what it is, itโs Australiaโs capital city). A month later they announced the Canberra route, but was told the Honolulu flight was a scoot sort of territory and was hinted it was being looked at. But I was quite curious. For years sq has one hopped to west coast USA via Seoul and Tokyo since it withdrew the A345. Whilst the O&D traffic for both legs toโฆ Read more ยป
The biggest rip off is they will charge double for seat allocation because sin to Taipei is 1 leg and Taipei to Japan is another legโฆ