Which KrisFlyer redemption offers the best value?
It’s an intriguing question that warrants further analysis, especially for those looking to get the most bang for their buck. At the same time, it could get out of hand very quickly, since KrisFlyer redemptions don’t have to be just for Singapore Airlines- miles can also be redeemed for its 25 Star Alliance partners, Alaska Airlines, Virgin Australia, Virgin Atlantic, and Vistara.ย
But assuming we limited our scope to just Singapore Airlines, could we derive some heuristic to see where the sweet spots lie?
We sure can. All we need is some data.ย
Methodology
While I’m sure there’s a more sophisticated way of going about this, I’m all about quick and dirty. So here’s how I’m determining which redemption represents the best value:
- I first obtained the mileage required for a one-way Saver award in Economy, Premium Economy, Business, and First Class between Singapore and each Singapore Airlines destination
- Then, using GCmap, I plotted the one-way distance between Singapore Changi and each of these destinations, taking into account stopovers where necessary (e.g. Singapore to Houston flies via Manchester)
- Finally, I divided the values obtained in (1) by the values obtained in (2)
โ What about flights with more than one routing? |
There’s two options for getting to JFK and LAX: the non-stop flights, or the one-stop ones. Since the non-stop flights only have two cabins (Premium Economy and Business), I chose the one-stop flights via Frankfurt (JFK) and Tokyo Narita (LAX), and adjusted the distances accordingly. |
The key question is:
For every mile I fly in real life, how many KrisFlyer miles do I pay?
The lower the figure, the better, obviously.ย
Admittedly, this might not be the most robust way of approaching things if we’re interested in monetary value, because the lack of competition on certain routes can make the price per mile flown frightfully expensive (and thereby represent better value for miles redemptions in the traditional sense of the word).
So your options are (1) accept this as a fun piece of analysis for a weekend read, (2) be pedantic in the comments, (3) be pedantic in the comments AND send me a nicely formatted Excel file with the min-max airfares for each route (my preferred option).
In other words, we’re not looking at how much money each KrisFlyer mile gets you, we’re looking at how many miles Singapore Airlines will fly you in the real world for each KrisFlyer mile redeemed.
Here’s the tl;dr:
Economy Class
For Economy Class redemptions, you’ll pay on average 9.9 KrisFlyer miles per 1 real-world mile flown.
โ๏ธ Economy Class Redemptions |
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Destination | Real-World Miles | KrisFlyer Miles | Ratio |
Houston (via MAN) | 11,523 | 44,000 | 3.82 |
New York (via FRA) | 10,245 | 44,000 | 4.29 |
Cape Town (via JNB) | 6,171 | 29,000 | 4.70 |
Los Angeles (via NRT) | 8,775 | 42,000 | 4.79 |
San Francisco | 8,446 | 42,000 | 4.97 |
Seattle | 8,070 | 42,000 | 5.20 |
Vancouver | 7,967 | 42,000 | 5.27 |
Istanbul | 5,393 | 29,000 | 5.38 |
Johannesburg | 5,382 | 29,000 | 5.39 |
Auckland | 5,225 | 30,500 | 5.84 |
Christchurch | 5,221 | 30,500 | 5.84 |
Barcelona (via MXP) | 6,856 | 42,000 | 6.13 |
Manchester | 6,810 | 42,000 | 6.17 |
London | 6,765 | 42,000 | 6.21 |
Paris | 6,666 | 42,000 | 6.30 |
Amsterdam | 6,534 | 42,000 | 6.43 |
Milan | 6,408 | 42,000 | 6.55 |
Zurich | 6,405 | 42,000 | 6.56 |
Frankfurt | 6,389 | 42,000 | 6.57 |
Munich | 6,251 | 42,000 | 6.72 |
Rome | 6,248 | 42,000 | 6.72 |
Copenhagen | 6,193 | 42,000 | 6.78 |
Beijing | 2,780 | 21,500 | 7.73 |
Ahmedabad | 2,580 | 20,000 | 7.75 |
Delhi | 2,579 | 20,000 | 7.75 |
Sydney | 3,908 | 30,500 | 7.80 |
Dubai | 3,633 | 29,000 | 7.98 |
Brisbane | 3,816 | 30,500 | 7.99 |
Tokyo (Narita) | 3,324 | 27,000 | 8.12 |
Melbourne | 3,744 | 30,500 | 8.15 |
Bali | 1,037 | 8,500 | 8.20 |
Chengdu | 2,010 | 16,500 | 8.21 |
Tokyo (Haneda) | 3,288 | 27,000 | 8.21 |
Mumbai | 2,435 | 20,000 | 8.21 |
Taipei | 1,996 | 16,500 | 8.27 |
Chongqing | 1,958 | 16,500 | 8.43 |
Nagoya | 3,127 | 27,000 | 8.63 |
Davao | 1,545 | 13,500 | 8.74 |
Perth | 2,421 | 21,500 | 8.88 |
Osaka | 3,040 | 27,000 | 8.88 |
Xiamen | 1,853 | 16,500 | 8.90 |
Cebu | 1,505 | 13,500 | 8.97 |
Adelaide | 3,351 | 30,500 | 9.10 |
Shanghai | 2,357 | 21,500 | 9.12 |
Kathmandu | 2,191 | 20,000 | 9.13 |
Manila | 1,474 | 13,500 | 9.16 |
Seoul | 2,867 | 27,000 | 9.42 |
Male | 2,113 | 20,000 | 9.47 |
Busan | 2,827 | 27,000 | 9.55 |
Fukuoka | 2,802 | 27,000 | 9.64 |
Cairns | 3,112 | 30,500 | 9.80 |
Hanoi | 1,371 | 13,500 | 9.85 |
Surabaya | 854 | 8,500 | 9.95 |
Cochin | 1,990 | 20,000 | 10.05 |
Guangzhou | 1,639 | 16,500 | 10.07 |
Bengaluru | 1,975 | 20,000 | 10.13 |
Shenzhen | 1,605 | 16,500 | 10.28 |
Darwin | 2,075 | 21,500 | 10.36 |
Hong Kong | 1,587 | 16,500 | 10.40 |
Brunei | 795 | 8,500 | 10.69 |
Chennai | 1,816 | 20,000 | 11.01 |
Kolkata | 1,798 | 20,000 | 11.12 |
Dhaka | 1,794 | 20,000 | 11.15 |
Yangon | 1,195 | 13,500 | 11.30 |
Colombo | 1,709 | 20,000 | 11.70 |
Hyderabad | 2,053 | 25,000 | 12.18 |
Da Nang | 1,049 | 13,500 | 12.87 |
Bangkok | 876 | 13,500 | 15.41 |
Jakarta | 546 | 8,500 | 15.57 |
Siem Reap | 828 | 13,500 | 16.30 |
Phnom Penh | 703 | 13,500 | 19.20 |
Ho Chi Minh | 675 | 13,500 | 20.00 |
Medan | 386 | 8,500 | 22.02 |
Phuket | 607 | 13,500 | 22.24 |
Penang | 373 | 8,500 | 22.79 |
Kuala Lumpur | 184 | 8,500 | 46.20 |
The three best value redemptions are, unsurprisingly, some of Singapore Airlines’ longest routes:
- Houston (stopover in Manchester): 3.82 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- New York (stopover in Frankfurt): 4.29 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Cape Town (stopover in Johannesburg): 4.70 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
Houston and New York in particular cover more than 10,000 miles, and while that’s a soul-crushing distance to be sitting in an Economy Class seat, at least you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that you’re paying a mere ~4 KrisFlyer miles for every real-world mile flown- the best value in the whole programme!
On the other extreme, short-haul destinations represent the worst value:
- Kuala Lumpur:ย 46.20 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Penang:ย 22.79 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mileย
- Phuket:ย 22.24 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
Kuala Lumpur is particularly poor value, with members paying 46 KrisFlyer miles for every 1 mile flown. For perspective, that’s more than you’d pay for First Class to every destination except Jakarta!
Truth be told,ย there’s very little reason to redeem miles for short-haul Economy. You’d be much better off buying a cheap budget ticket, which gives you a free choice of dates and timings.ย
Premium Economy Class
For Premium Economy Class redemptions, you’ll pay on average 10.8 KrisFlyer miles per 1 real-world mile flown.
โ๏ธ Premium Economy Class Redemptions |
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Destination | Miles | KrisFlyer | Ratio |
Cape Town (via JNB) | 6,171 | 43,000 | 6.97 |
Houston (via MAN) | 11,523 | 80,500 | 6.99 |
New York (via FRA) | 10,245 | 80,500 | 7.86 |
Istanbul | 5,393 | 43,000 | 7.97 |
Johannesburg | 5,382 | 43,000 | 7.99 |
Newark | 9,534 | 80,500 | 8.44 |
Los Angeles (via NRT) | 8,775 | 75,000 | 8.55 |
San Francisco | 8,446 | 75,000 | 8.88 |
Seattle | 8,070 | 75,000 | 9.29 |
Vancouver | 7,967 | 75,000 | 9.41 |
Auckland | 5,225 | 51,000 | 9.76 |
Christchurch | 5,221 | 51,000 | 9.77 |
Barcelona (via MXP) | 6,856 | 71,000 | 10.36 |
Manchester | 6,810 | 71,000 | 10.43 |
London | 6,765 | 71,000 | 10.50 |
Paris | 6,666 | 71,000 | 10.65 |
Amsterdam | 6,534 | 71,000 | 10.87 |
Milan | 6,408 | 71,000 | 11.08 |
Zurich | 6,405 | 71,000 | 11.09 |
Frankfurt | 6,389 | 71,000 | 11.11 |
Tokyo (Narita) | 3,324 | 37,500 | 11.28 |
Munich | 6,251 | 71,000 | 11.36 |
Rome | 6,248 | 71,000 | 11.36 |
Tokyo (Haneda) | 3,288 | 37,500 | 11.41 |
Copenhagen | 6,193 | 71,000 | 11.46 |
Dubai | 3,633 | 43,000 | 11.84 |
Beijing | 2,780 | 34,500 | 12.41 |
Sydney | 3,908 | 51,000 | 13.05 |
Seoul | 2,867 | 37,500 | 13.08 |
Delhi | 2,579 | 34,500 | 13.38 |
Melbourne | 3,744 | 51,000 | 13.62 |
Mumbai | 2,435 | 34,500 | 14.17 |
Shanghai | 2,357 | 34,500 | 14.64 |
Hong Kong | 1,587 | 26,500 | 16.70 |
The three best value redemptions here are:
- Cape Town (stopover in Johannesburg): 6.97 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Houston (stopover in Manchester): 6.99 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- New York (stopover in Frankfurt): 7.86 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
It’s the same three from the Economy Class list, only with Cape Town replacing Los Angeles as the best value option. Even though it’s “only” 6,171 miles in flying distance (30% shorter than Los Angeles), it’s the beneficiary ofย KrisFlyer’s Zone 10 sweet spot, where Premium Economy awards are 43% cheaper than Los Angeles.
The three worst redemptions are:ย
- Hong Kong: 16.70 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Shanghai: 14.64 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Mumbai: 14.17 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
These are the shortest routes where Premium Economy is offered, and if you really need that extra bit of comfort, you might be better off buying Economy and hoping the opportunity to buy an instant upgrade comes along.
Business Class
For Business Class redemptions, you’ll pay on average 20.9 KrisFlyer miles per 1 real-world mile flown.
โ๏ธ Business Class Redemptions |
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Destination | Miles | KrisFlyer | Ratio |
Cape Town (via JNB) | 6,171 | 56,500 | 9.16 |
Houston (via MAN) | 11,523 | 111,500 | 9.68 |
Istanbul | 5,393 | 56,500 | 10.48 |
Johannesburg | 5,382 | 56,500 | 10.50 |
New York (via FRA) | 10,245 | 111,500 | 10.88 |
Newark | 9,534 | 111,500 | 11.69 |
Los Angeles (via NRT) | 8,775 | 107,000 | 12.19 |
San Francisco | 8,446 | 107,000 | 12.67 |
Auckland | 5,225 | 68,500 | 13.11 |
Christchurch | 5,221 | 68,500 | 13.12 |
Seattle | 8,070 | 107,000 | 13.26 |
Vancouver | 7,967 | 107,000 | 13.43 |
Barcelona (via MXP) | 6,856 | 103,500 | 15.10 |
Manchester | 6,810 | 103,500 | 15.20 |
London | 6,765 | 103,500 | 15.30 |
Beijing | 2,780 | 43,000 | 15.47 |
Paris | 6,666 | 103,500 | 15.53 |
Davao | 1,545 | 24,000 | 15.53 |
Dubai | 3,633 | 56,500 | 15.55 |
Tokyo (Narita) | 3,324 | 52,000 | 15.64 |
Tokyo (Haneda) | 3,288 | 52,000 | 15.82 |
Amsterdam | 6,534 | 103,500 | 15.84 |
Cebu | 1,505 | 24,000 | 15.95 |
Milan | 6,408 | 103,500 | 16.15 |
Zurich | 6,405 | 103,500 | 16.16 |
Frankfurt | 6,389 | 103,500 | 16.20 |
Manila | 1,474 | 24,000 | 16.28 |
Munich | 6,251 | 103,500 | 16.56 |
Rome | 6,248 | 103,500 | 16.57 |
Nagoya | 3,127 | 52,000 | 16.63 |
Ahmedabad | 2,580 | 43,000 | 16.67 |
Delhi | 2,579 | 43,000 | 16.67 |
Copenhagen | 6,193 | 103,500 | 16.71 |
Perth | 2,421 | 40,500 | 16.73 |
Chengdu | 2,010 | 34,000 | 16.92 |
Taipei | 1,996 | 34,000 | 17.03 |
Osaka | 3,040 | 52,000 | 17.11 |
Chongqing | 1,958 | 34,000 | 17.36 |
Hanoi | 1,371 | 24,000 | 17.51 |
Sydney | 3,908 | 68,500 | 17.53 |
Mumbai | 2,435 | 43,000 | 17.66 |
Brisbane | 3,816 | 68,500 | 17.95 |
Seoul | 2,867 | 52,000 | 18.14 |
Shanghai | 2,357 | 43,000 | 18.24 |
Melbourne | 3,744 | 68,500 | 18.30 |
Xiamen | 1,853 | 34,000 | 18.35 |
Busan | 2,827 | 52,000 | 18.39 |
Fukuoka | 2,802 | 52,000 | 18.56 |
Darwin | 2,075 | 40,500 | 19.52 |
Kathmandu | 2,191 | 43,000 | 19.63 |
Yangon | 1,195 | 24,000 | 20.08 |
Bali | 1,037 | 21,000 | 20.25 |
Male | 2,113 | 43,000 | 20.35 |
Adelaide | 3,351 | 68,500 | 20.44 |
Guangzhou | 1,639 | 34,000 | 20.74 |
Hyderabad | 2,053 | 43,000 | 20.94 |
Shenzhen | 1,605 | 34,000 | 21.18 |
Hong Kong | 1,587 | 34,000 | 21.42 |
Cochin | 1,990 | 43,000 | 21.61 |
Bengaluru | 1,975 | 43,000 | 21.77 |
Cairns | 3,112 | 68,500 | 22.01 |
Da Nang | 1,049 | 24,000 | 22.88 |
Chennai | 1,816 | 43,000 | 23.68 |
Kolkata | 1,798 | 43,000 | 23.92 |
Dhaka | 1,794 | 43,000 | 23.97 |
Surabaya | 854 | 21,000 | 24.59 |
Colombo | 1,709 | 43,000 | 25.16 |
Brunei | 795 | 21,000 | 26.42 |
Bangkok | 876 | 24,000 | 27.40 |
Siem Reap | 828 | 24,000 | 28.99 |
Phnom Penh | 703 | 24,000 | 34.14 |
Ho Chi Minh | 675 | 24,000 | 35.56 |
Jakarta | 546 | 21,000 | 38.46 |
Phuket | 607 | 24,000 | 39.54 |
Medan | 386 | 21,000 | 54.40 |
Penang | 373 | 21,000 | 56.30 |
Kuala Lumpur | 184 | 21,000 | 114.13 |
The three best value redemptions here are:
- Cape Town (stopover in Johannesburg): 9.16 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Houston (stopover in Manchester): 9.68 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Istanbul: 10.48 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
KrisFlyer’s Zone 10 sweet spot features heavily here, with both Cape Town and Istanbul included (and Johannesburg a very close 4th).
Despite real-world distances of 5,000-6,000 miles, Business Class awards cost just 56,500 miles each. Istanbul is virtually at Europe’s doorstep, and yet the cost of a Business Class award is 45% cheaper!
The three worst redemptions are:
- Kuala Lumpur: 114.13 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Penang: 56.30 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Medan: 54.40 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
Again, this ties into the idea that you shouldn’t redeem your miles for short-haul Business Class. I mean, what’s the point? It costs an arm and a leg, and the flight is over before you know it. There isn’t even a meal service for Kuala Lumpur; Business Class passengers get a plastic-wrapped sandwich. And at 114 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile, this is the highest cost KrisFlyer redemption across the entire network.
By the way, Singapore Airlines doesn’t stock champagne on its Medan, Penang or Kuala Lumpur routes. If that’s not reason enough to avoid Business Class, I don’t know what is!
First Class
For First Class redemptions, you’ll pay on average of 24.6 KrisFlyer miles per 1 real-world mile flown.
โ๏ธ First Class Redemptions |
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Destination | Miles | KrisFlyer | Ratio |
New York (via FRA) | 10,245 | 148,500 | 14.49 |
Los Angeles (via NRT) | 8,775 | 146,500 | 16.70 |
London | 6,765 | 141,000 | 20.84 |
Paris | 6,666 | 141,000 | 21.15 |
Zurich | 6,405 | 141,000 | 22.01 |
Frankfurt | 6,389 | 141,000 | 22.07 |
Delhi | 2,579 | 58,500 | 22.68 |
Tokyo (Narita) | 3,324 | 77,000 | 23.16 |
Tokyo (Haneda) | 3,288 | 77,000 | 23.42 |
Sydney | 3,908 | 93,500 | 23.93 |
Mumbai | 2,435 | 58,500 | 24.02 |
Shanghai | 2,357 | 58,500 | 24.82 |
Melbourne | 3,744 | 93,500 | 24.97 |
Hong Kong | 1,587 | 45,000 | 28.36 |
Jakarta | 546 | 30,500 | 55.86 |
The three best value redemptions here are:
- New York (stopover in Frankfurt): 14.49 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Los Angeles (stopover in Tokyo Narita): 16.70 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- London: 20.84 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
Given the limited deployment of First Class, the names here are quite different compared to previous sections. Who would have thought that Singapore Airlines’ priciest redemption, New York JFK, would also be its best value? But with more than 10,000 miles flown, you really get a lot of time to enjoy that Suite (sadly it’ll be downgraded to a regular First Class seat from 15 May 2023, as the aircraft gets swapped to a B777-300ER).ย
London is also surprisingly good value (though 3rd place would actually go to Auckland, had it not lost First Class service from 26 March), but if you’re coming back to Singapore, I’d advise you to fly from Paris instead. London has infamously high airport taxes thanks to its Air Passenger Duty, which costs ยฃ200 (~S$335) per First Class passenger.ย
The three worst value redemptions are:
- Jakarta: 55.86 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Hong Kong: 28.36 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
- Melbourne: 24.97 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile
Melbourne is an interesting one, but when you examine the numbers you see the difference is marginal; it could just as well have been Shanghai, Mumbai or Sydney. With a flight time of 7h 30 minutes, you might not have enough time to fully appreciate the experience- especially if you take a red-eye flight.
As for Hong Kong and Jakarta, well, I’ll say they’re not good redemption ideasย if all you do is fly.ย But as I’ll cover in the next section, there could still be good reasons to take a punt on these!
Limitations
It’s important to note that not all miles are equal.ย
What I mean by this is that the quality of a real-world mile can differ tremendously depending on cabin product. For example, Singapore to Kathmandu in Business Class has a ratio of 19.63. This is lower than Singapore to Adelaide in Business Class at 20.44, suggesting better value.ย
However, Kathmandu is operated by the absolute worse aircraft in the Singapore Airlines fleet: the B737-800 (or at least it was until recently; I believe the MAX is now rostered).
These feature recliner seats in Business Class, first introduced in 2014 and well beyond their prime. Seat controls are entirely manual, lumbar support is saggy, there’s no privacy to speak of, and forget about Wi-Fi or seatback inflight entertainment.
In contrast, Adelaide is operated by A350-900 Medium Haul aircraft, which have Singapore Airlines’ 2018 Regional Business Class seat.
While it’s not as wide as some of Singapore Airlines’ other Business Class seats, this is actually my favourite Business Class seat in the entire fleet. I love that it reclines to flat without needing to flip, is friendly to back-sleepers, and offers good privacy.
Second, where First Class is concerned, a short-haul flight can still be good value if your pre-flight game is strong enough! Take Jakarta, for instance. At 56 KrisFlyer miles per real-world mile, it sounds like a terrible deal.ย And it would be, if all you did was take the flight.ย
But a First Class flight to Jakarta gets you a golden ticket (quite literally) to The Private Room at Changi Terminal 3.
This exclusive lounge for Singapore Airlines First Class passengers offers a fine-dining experience, serving up restaurant-quality food and fine wines (Taittinger Comtes de Champagne, before you ask).ย
So even though the flight will be over in the blink of an eye,ย those who can make time to enjoy the lounge beforehand can still come out on top.
Conclusion
It should be no surprise that the worst value KrisFlyer redemptions tend to be the shortest flights, and the best value KrisFlyer redemptions the longest. However, it’s not a hard and fast rule, thanks to the great Zone 10 sweet spot for travel between Singapore and Middle East/Africa.
Moreover, we shouldn’t just look at the KrisFlyer miles to real-world miles ratio, especially when there’s an opportunity to enjoy the lounge before the flight. It’s a completely rational decision (well, rational being relative) to redeem First Class to Jakarta if trying The Private Room is on your bucket list- perhaps even spend a whole day there, like some boliao people.ย
amazing amount of work — and very useful to know, thanks
From memory – the A350 medium haul that flies to Adelaide does not have Premium Economy
ah yes. checked the schedules and you’re right. will need to update the tables to adjust for that, grrrr…
I wish they flew a better plane here though ๐ญ
Good analysis, I think someone on FlyerTalk, or maybe HfP, has some a similar thing with Avios, and itโs all quite interesting.
Good to see London high up the list and Melbourne in the middle, not achieving best value but also not worst (they are my main route, plus HKG, which I usually use Avios or QF points for).
KL I would never use SQ miles for, Iโd rather fly MH or 3K given the price, and again Avios or QF are a half decent option (for me anyway, everyoneโs mileage (pun intended) may vary).
I freely admit I’ve redeemed avios for business class to KL multiple times…if only to visit the Qatar Premium Lounge on the way out! I can imagine oneworld emeralds might even do the same (for economy) just so they can go to QF F.
How early can you go into the private room for a first class flight?
you can check in up to 48 hours before a flight- the question is whether the Cisco guards at the immigration checkpoint will let you in that early. however, i’ve seen reports of people getting in with <24 hours, YMMV.
For SQ flights – Yes, they will allow you into the airside 24 hours before flight departure. Here is my experience on my recent Japan trip on April last month on SQ Business Class. (BTW it’s my very first business class flight experience of my lifetime!) My flight departure is 2355 HRS, and I checked-in and entered airside at 0820 HRS in the morning (15 hours). I had both lunch and dinner at T3 SilverKris lounge as a result of the early check in. I also noticed recently that at the T3 departure immigration hall, boarding pass checks are now… Read more »
thanks for the dp! hope you had a great trip- first time is always really special.
Yes indeed! Book the cook lobster thermidor is always the rite of passage for first timers like myself! ๐
Thanks to your travel hack tips, this dream trip on business class have made it possible for me!
FYI: My travel hacking journey started as a result of this article:
https://milelion.com/2017/06/03/everything-wrong-with-motherships-sponsored-uob-krisflyer-post/
Thanks! Doing my first Private Room experience, so thinking how much time we can have inside
Glad I’ve the privilege of taking the worst cabin in SQ this summer , headed to Kathmandu from Singapore. Maybe I’ll review it
I have found that post covid my approach has changed. Initially in that ramping up period where people were still hesitant to fly, redemptions were obtainable (even non stop NYC on spontaneous escapes) and reasonably priced regional Y fares around. After that though it has been very different – J saver redemptions absurd, full service Y fares quite high making LCC fares a bit more reasonable. On top of that, SQ increasing mile costs and SQs extreme stopover changes (I say extreme because to me stopping paid stopovers was weird – just restricting stopovers to 30 days would’ve sufficed to… Read more »
Best value First/Suites redemption to me is A380 SIN-DEL/BOM. The 5 hours flight time is sufficient to get a full meal and experience the bed. Mileage cost is reasonable at 58K, which is less than half the SG-Europe rate. Also quite easy to find saver availability from 30-60 days before departure, which isn’t the case to Europe. It’s less than double the SIN-CGK cost, while the distance is much further. Can even do CGK-SIN-DEL for the same mileage cost as SIN-DEL and experience both the 77W First and A380 Suites that way. Unfortunately only max 24h stopover allowed in SG… Read more »
hey MileLion, Thanks for this analysis. Apologies if this sounds pedantic but I suppose you took the direct average across all flights to arrive at the numbers you did. Another way to consider this is to look at the weighted average instead (i.e. weighted with respect to the sum of miles across all flights). This is probably a fairer representation of the overall ratio across the board. In this sense, the ratios modulate to 10.1 (Economy); 16.0 (Business) and 21.0 (First). The overall placements between the classes do not change but the ratio relatives become less pronounced. In any case,… Read more »
not pedantic at all! I did think about weighted average, but my question then became: should a flight from sin to kul be given less weight in determining the averages than a flight from sin-lhr? I don’t know what the answer to that is, actually. If people are more inclined to redeeming the latter than the former then maybe (and I hope they are!). Now’s when I wish I could recall my math classes better- when to use weighted vs simple…
What an awesome list, thanks so much to putting in all the work and time to make the lists!
If you actually care about KF vs butt-in-seat, nothing beats Hanoi-Denpasar via Singapore.
But honestly I think this is a really poor metric. Loads of advantages of full fare carriers over LCCs. Especially when you looks at scoots insane pricing these days (and no, not to keen on Vietjetair). Especially as soon as you have *G or higher, Y redemptions become excellent value
Actual miles field for Biz class Barcelona via MXP is inaccurate. Calculation seems to follow the other fare classes of 6856(?) instead of 6776 as shown. Can compare to the next two Europe destinations.
Would provide a SS but seems like Web channels don’t allow, only possible via tele.
excellent spot. have fixed that- it should be 6,856.
Just going back to this article because I booked IST flights and it’s a steal to go to Europe. Awesome content as usual!
Please donโt tell everyone my secret with using Turkish air and redeeming the IST-SGP leg back from Europe ๐
Maybe good to highlight/bold the routes where Suites are available instead of First Class. Two very different experiences. Would I pay 141k miles for Suites to London? Definitely. First Class to Paris? Probably not.